Re: [IFWP] Re: [aso-policy] RE: [aso-comment] IP address holders -are they represented?

[Patrick Greenwell <patrick@cybernothing.org>]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Michael Sondow wrote:

> Greg Skinner wrote:
> > 
> > Have the smaller ISPs ever approached EuroISPA or any of the other ISP
> > associations and asked them to lobby on their behalf?
> 
> I don't know if they have or not. But "here" for me is the U.S.
> There's no EuroISPA here. What chance does a small ISP have in the
> U.S.A., when ARIN won't give them a block? My ISP has been waiting
> for 4 years, and he has the money. 

But obviously not the size.

> Meanwhile, his upstream provider treats him like *&%$*, 

Get another provider.

> won't configure his zone files properly,

Get another provider.

> won't let him be multi-homed,

Get another provider.

> lets him get hacked by not providing protections, etc. 

That's your providers responsibility not their upstreams.

Having renumbered a couple of ISP networks, it can be a fairly painless
affair if it is thought out carefully. It's not free, but it is certainly
cheaper than suffering the lousy service your provider claims to be
suffering. 

> > An alternative for the ISPs you feel are getting squeezed is to try to
> > enter into private peering arrangements with other ISPs.  Perhaps
> > these ISPs could form their own association and apply for a routable
> > IP block.
> 
>
> According to what I've read in Ole Jacobsen's IP magazine about
> peering, it can cause more trouble than it solves. There are
> questions of compatability. And peering creates its own economic
> problems. 

In this case, it would present some very difficult problems as the
providers would have to provide transit for other peoples packets.

> On their own, though, they have no incentive to change the way
> things are run. It's something that an organization like ICANN, but
> well directed instead of making the situation worse, ought to be
> able to do.

You were hoping for an even stronger ICANN? Be careful what you ask for. 


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